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Interview With Dr. Jerome Corsi

By United Medical Freedom Super PAC
July 3, 2020

Charlene Bollinger:

Hi, everybody. This is Charlene Bollinger with The Truth About Cancer and The Truth About Vaccines films, coming to you today with a very special guest. Dr. Jerome Corsi, thank you for joining me and welcome.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Charlene, it’s great to be with you. Thank you very much.

Charlene Bollinger:

Wow, we have so much to talk about, I don’t even know where to begin. First of all, tell our viewers a little bit about yourself and what you’re doing.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I’m pretty well-known to most people. I’m an author and a commentator, political reporter, investigator. My website is corsination.com, C-O-R-S-Ination.com. I’ve written something like 25 books since 2004. A couple of them have been number one New York Times Bestsellers. 2004 was the Swift Boat book, that I co-authored with John O’Neill. It was called Unfit for Command. I wrote 2008 the Obama Nation. My current books, my hardcover book is a Coup d’état. That’s about exposing the treason against President Trump to remove him from office and the plan to reelect him.

I’ve had a couple of eBooks which are doing very well on Corsi Nation. One is The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency, and the other is COVID 20, which is the next virus I think will hit us before the end of the year. Those can be directly bought and downloaded right from my website, corsination.com. There are all my videos. I’m doing a lot of videos, a lot of content on many different things, TeleMD program, which allows you to have a phone conversation with a MD who’s licensed in your state. You can talk about anything you want. Also, they can talk about hydroxychloroquine and zinc with this azithromycin, Dr. Zelenko’s protocol for COVID. We’re not selling drugs. If the doctor believes it’s in your needs, including for prevention, they can go ahead and prescribe it.

There’s a lot on that website. I’m very concerned about the inflation. We have a Swiss America gold and silver with some very great offers on, I want people to have gold and silver, not just fiat dollars in their pocket, going into what we think is going to be the next really difficult economic period. That’s really my background, who I am, and where you can find me.

Charlene Bollinger:

Wow. What don’t you do? That’s the question.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, there’s lots I don’t do.

Charlene Bollinger:

Well, Doctor, the first time I talked to you wasn’t long ago. We had a call with a team, prayer leaders, talking about the state of the nation. Dr. Judy Mikovits was on that call, very good friend of mine. We featured her in our films and our live events, on stages. On our stages, that’s where she revealed what was happening behind the scenes with Fauci, specifically. I think that was in 2019. She started talking originally on our stage 2016. That was the first time she was telling the truth publicly about what she had been through because she had a gag order for so long. She started talking at that point. She’s an amazing woman.

As you know, she’s turned down their bribes of millions of dollars and her life was ruined. They said they would do that, they would ruin her life if she went and talked. She said, “But I have to.” She’s a real hero. That’s the very definition of a hero, turning down the world’s goods, which, in my estimation, what good are they without freedom and integrity? She took the high road. I believe that her wealth is great in heaven. That’s what counts and that’s for eternity. Back to the wealth in this world-

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I have interviewed her, by the way, on my channels as well, on corsination.com. I think she is also a heroine. She deserves great credit for her courage, her morality. I think she’s extremely intelligent. By the way, as soon as I put up the interview, YouTube and Vimeo took it down, so you know she’s saying something that is critical to hear because she frightened the deep state of establishment just by telling her truth.

Charlene Bollinger:

Absolutely. It’s the truth that sets us free. The Bible tells us, “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” She’s armed with the truth. They’ve also taken our videos down. We had a roundtable discussion, Doc, with Andy Wakefield, Bobby Kennedy, Del Bigtree, Sherri Tenpenny, and Judy Mikovits, part one and part two. They took part two down. They took various interviews that I’ve done conversation with just Judy and myself. They come in and take it down.

We’ve got it on Brighteon, by the way. Brighteon, we share those videos on our Instagram. We know Facebook has taken a hard line stand against Brighteon. Mike Adams is a good friend of ours. He’s doing great work. He’s got that platform. It’s a freedom platform. Facebook said, no videos, even in private messages brought from the Brighteon channel because they’re hosting Plandemic. That’s a big no-no in today’s culture, and hostile environment against the truth.

On our Instagram page, we included in our link tree a link to a Brighteon video to Judy, because YouTube took it down. We still wanted them to have access to that video on Instagram. Instagram immediately censored our Instagram page. We couldn’t write descriptions or comments. We tracked it down to that Brighteon. I’m in discussions right now with Mike Adams. In fact, he just texted me about what we can do.

Mike, he’s fearless like we are. He’s got the platform for freedom. Facebook literally said to him, “If you take down all the Plandemic videos on your platform, we’ll let those Brighteon videos appear again on Facebook. He has spent so much time and money and all of his heart in this platform, that he said, “I didn’t build this so that I can be bullied and hide the truth. This is for the truth. None of the other stuff matters. If I cave, what good is it?” We stand with him. Judy is a hero. They’re censoring her voice, but it’s still being heard. They can’t stop us. The momentum is ours.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I’ve pretty much been the same way. I’ve been controversial since I began writing. As soon as you’re not going to go along with the deep state narrative, you’re a threat. They want to keep people in the not-in-the-know. They want to keep feeding people the MSNBC and CNN narratives. Increasingly, what we are watching is political drama and political staged events that are designed to produce certain effects. The people who are staging them, the manipulators of public opinion, the deep state managers have gotten to be quite skillful at it. That’s what I’ve been trying to expose.

I think this book I’ve written, The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency, or this COVID 20, are very directly challenging because I’m explaining that, for instance, the Russia-gate, Ukraine, and now, the Black Lives Matter, violence in the streets, all these things fit together. It’s one episode after another, the reaction to COVID-19, shutting down the economy, the Democratic governors not wanting to start up the economy. All these things are engineered and calculated almost with military precision.

It’s very difficult, I’m sure, even for Donald Trump, to keep up with being hit day after day with new barrages and new crises. It’s very hard to have the time to think or react intelligently. I wrote this book, I was told that if I didn’t write this book, the plan to remove him was 100% sure of succeeding, and only by writing it and exposing it do we have any chance of ultimately beating it. That’s my goal. My goal is to defeat this deep state. They have enormous resources and enormous money. We have always had very little on our side. It’s a constant battle. The one unfair advantage, I think, we have is that, with God, all things are possible.

Charlene Bollinger:

Yes. I really want to talk about your book, The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency. On that phone call, you unpacked it a bit. I realized this is so important. Behind the scenes, we were all working at getting this book to the President. You got word that he read it. Do you want to talk about that?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Yes. I think there was a major effort made to hand him a copy. It’s an eBook, and it was printed out in the White House. I’m told very authoritatively that he did read it. In fact, he spent quite a bit of time reading it. I see results of it. I see Donald Trump differences in how he’s doing things now before I wrote that book. He is adapting.

You know I say, I use this example to explain the importance of this book, is that a couple gets married and the husband does something absolutely unconscionable. He buys the wife flowers and says, “Well, he really does love me, after all.” Well, that works for a while. Maybe, it escalates to buying jewelry or taking trips. Finally, the wife says, “Honey, you better sit down because I’ve gotten a lawyer and we filed for divorce. By the way, here’s a court order and you now have to leave the house. You better get your own lawyer. I should never have married you. You’re never going to be faithful to me. You were never going to do this, and this, and this. I’m not putting up with it anymore.”

Once you’ve seen through it, it doesn’t have the same impact, and you know you are being led by psychologically being as it were seduced into behavior that really you would not do if your eyes were open and you understood what was happening. Once Donald Trump sees what’s lying in front of them, and I predicted things in this book that have begun to happen. I’m saying that they will go for a 25th amendment, attempt to remove Donald Trump from office.

I explained the mechanics of that and explain how John Bolton’s book was intended to establish the narrative that Donald Trump is mentally deficient and is erratic, and how you counter that. You counter it by saying, basically, “John Bolton, who I’ve known for 15 years has only ever wanted to go to war with everybody, especially, Iran. He provided President George W. Bush the information that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that was critical to our decision to invade Iraq.” You can look and see how that’s turned out.

I said war in the Middle East is always the problem, never the solution, because it only intensifies. Then, you have one war. Then, you fight that war over the next war. This group lost these people and that group lost these sons and husbands and daughters, and all the rest of it. They fight that for another generation.

Basically, the economic sanctions, the removing of all the economics, the terror regime needs to have in place is far more effective and has a deeper reach on the people who, themselves, begin questioning whether this regime, the Mullahs in this case, have legitimacy or leading them into destruction. That’s a far more effective way than trying to placate Iran or trying to go to war with Iran. War with Iran would only feed their cause.

I basically have said and done. You can pick up any page of Bolton’s book. All he’s doing is he’s saying that President Trump didn’t take my advice here, or he had a different style. He said, he wanted to meet with these people and the way he met with him he would, at the top of his head, well Donald Trump would often say he’s going to do something just to see how his staff reacts.

Bolton, who expected that he was now going to be the National Security Director, that gave him a position of authority, and he was going to be in charge of national security policy, forgot that he was an advisor, and that John Bolton’s position is not in the Constitution. State Department has the same problem. They think that their interagency agreements are what the President need, and if the president doesn’t follow their inter-agency directives, then, the President needs to be impeached. Well, you could move the State Department to Death Valley, for all that matter, or close it all together.

It’s not in the Constitution. We don’t need a State Department to run the government. People have to come to see these things. This book is designed so you understand that the techniques of the black Muslim radicals in the Middle East, in the Arab Spring, are identical to the tactics that they’re applying with antifa and Black Lives Matters in the streets of the United States.

I can take you through how the events are staged, what their different purposes is, how they use them to radicalize. These events are all aimed at coup d’etat, at removing Donald Trump from office because the deep state, the left, the Marxists, those who hate God, they’ve gone all in. It’s like in poker terms, they put all their chips into this hand, they’re going to play this hand. Win or lose, they’re going to play. They don’t intend to lose. If they have to kill a quarter of the population of the world, it’s inconsequential to them. If they have to have a nuclear holocaust, it’s inconsequential to them. It’s a spiritual battle. This is not a power of entities that we see in this world.

This is fundamental evil. It’s a fundamental denial. It’s like Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, Rules to Radicals, to Lucifer. He said, for his rebellion, he was awarded a kingdom. Well, the kingdom was hell. These things I say also have a boomerang effect. You’re now watching the Democrats are now running the 2020 presidential campaign, and it’s being run in the streets.

If you like what you see, they intend to bring this to your neighborhood. You want an antifa in the living room rearranging your books and harassing your family. They will do it, because it’s a revolutionary. It’s a Maoist Red Guard, revolutionary cultural revolution. We’re in a cultural revolution right now. This fundamental point is to dethrone God, to put it in any kind of an orientation you can think of, whether it has to do with sex.

This is not a civil rights protest. I’m old enough. I saw in person Martin Luther King. I knew he wanted equal rights. Now, this is about a kind of reverse racism. They want whites to kneel to blacks. They want to have the power relationships of race, turn to destroy the society, destroy capitalism, destroy any kind of idea of family structure, or any kind of idea of traditional morals. It’s win or lose, they want to fight it now, because they want to win, so their totalitarian intolerant state can be imposed on the rest of us.

Charlene Bollinger:

Wow. You’ve said so much. I’m taking notes. You could write a book about each point you’ve made just now. You packed that whole little couple of paragraphs with a ton of information that’s vitally important for people to understand. I’m going to try to unpack it just slightly. You said something quite shocking. You said that they don’t care if they kill one fourth of the people of the world.

Now, if you go to the Georgia Guidestones, and people don’t know this, but on the Georgia Guidestones, some people say that’s the Satanic 10 Commandments of these people. We’ve read the Communist Manifesto. We know their bullet points, that they do intend to destroy the family unit, the reason being, if they could destroy the connection that the child has to the parent, disconnect that, and plug it into the state, then, they’re just little slaves and they do exactly what the state says. That’s the authority that they need to obey. They’re chipping, chipping, chipping away at the family unit. There’s a lot of other things you said.

Back to the killing of one quarter of the population, the Georgia Guidestones, the first of their 10 commandments that they have translated into eight different languages on those stones, hidden in plain sight, the first of the 10 points that they have there is that they must take the earth population down to 500 million. Now, the Lord Jesus himself, in John 10:10, said, “The thief came to kill, to steal, and to destroy.” Those are his war tactics. We see that happening now. It’s being rolled out openly in our streets. They were suddenly doing one little step at a time. All of a sudden, they pushed. I think they pushed too hard. I think the momentum belongs to us, and we will win.

Jesus, in contrast, said that, “I came to give you life and give it to you abundantly.” That’s what we’re fighting for. It’s the truth that will set the prisoner free. You have the truth, clearly, in this book, which I’m so intrigued by, The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from Presidency. The speech that he had, Doc, the other night, did you watch his rally? That was amazing.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Yes, I did watch it [crosstalk 00:19:53].

Charlene Bollinger:

So many, just let me tell you one quote, and then, I want you to pick up from here. You were talking, this is another point he said, the war in the Middle East is a problem. It’s not a solution. The President, did you hear him when he said that they want to drop bombs because that makes them money? This is a military industrial complex. We’ve heard that before. For him to say that was a very bold, bold move. It was heard around the world, that statement.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I think Donald Trump, I think he’s more spiritually aware than he has ever been in his life. He is not a saint. Then, of course, St. Paul, until the road to Damascus, wasn’t a saint, either. It’s not necessary that a person have a pure life. He was a celebrity. He lived the life of a celebrity. He was a playboy. I think he’s resolved to come to God and he’s understanding now that the responsibilities he’s facing and dealing with, this is almost an anointing to have won the way he won.

I’ve written this book. When you read this book, it’s designed to kind of reframe. In other words, you’re not going to be able to look at things the same. You’re going to see now more from the inside of what’s happening. Part of this is the techniques today of managing media and manipulating public opinion. When Bolton’s book comes out, it’s not just Bolton’s book. You have the talking points distributed to all of the print and television, radio media, that’s going to attack Trump. That’s coordinated. Then, you begin to reinforce the message.

How come Scaramucci, who was in the White House for a very short time and thrown out, quite frankly, he’ll come in and say that Trump was erratic. They’ll repeat the themes. When the General said that when Esper came out at the beginning of June and said he was not going to use the military, if he could avoid it, even under an insurrection act invocation by the President, because he wanted to protect the freedom to speak and assembly of the protesters. I think it’s around what peaceful protest is. It’s antifa. This is Black Lives Matter. These are Maoists. They’re paid.

Charlene Bollinger:

Or that you can burn a church down but you can’t go to church. That’s one of many things that we see. [crosstalk 00:22:37].

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Or you can have all the there’s no social distancing.

Charlene Bollinger:

Right, masks.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Or any other form, masks or anything. The demonstrators, they can be as crowded together as they want. There’s no imposition of any rules. The minute you open up a society to allow people to go back to work, well, New York is saying, “Well, there’s new cases in Alabama, so we’re not going to let anybody from Alabama come into the state of New York.” Well, how are you going to prevent that? The police are not going to be tasked with anyone with an Alabama license plate is going to be stopped and questioned. Are you going to have to have your proof of antibodies or immunity in order to [crosstalk 00:23:17]?

Charlene Bollinger:

What about the defund the police? Who are they going to use? We talked about this on a phone call, Doc. You said that it’s not that they want to get rid of the police. What is it that the want to do?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, they want to be the police. They want themselves to be the police. They want to be the enforcers of this cultural agenda they have. When you have a fire in your home, antifa’s going to show up as the fire department, they’re going to search your house and see what you believe in. They may end up harassing your family and letting the house burn to the ground, because you don’t fit politically. Or better yet, they will have determined that in advance because you’ll be given a social media score based on how you utilize the internet. If there’s any indication you believe in Jesus Christ, your credit cards aren’t going to work anymore.

Charlene Bollinger:

This is the mark of the beast. This is the mark of the beast.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

If somebody in your family has a debt, well, then, hospital is gambling on the internet, you didn’t know it. They put a debt lien on you and your car drives itself back to the dealer. Then, try to get back into your house and the door is locked. You can’t get into your own home, because it’s all tracked and, electronically, you’re on the grid. You’re living in a Truman Show, and they’re watching. With the technology the way it is, you can be tracked. Every step of your life can be recorded to be replayed to you at any other moment, or to be used to stigmatize you so you are no longer able to function in society. We’re headed to that kind of …

Now, when I talk about a quarter of the people dying, my book on the COVID 20, I’m not a medical scientist and I’m not an MD, but I am an investigative reporter. I began hearing that Fauci and it’s talking about a resurgence of COVID. Well, to me, watching China, China’s got a new virus going in Beijing. They say it’s coming from fish, from salmon. Well, that’s a different virus, because the first one they said was coming from bats.

Charlene Bollinger:

Bats.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Now, I looked at this, and I said, “The CDC and the NIH are not government agencies. They are public private partnerships with a 501(c)(3). They get money from the Gates Foundation and big farm. People like Fauci get patents on treatments for diseases. Fauci has patents on treatments for this HIV-1 pathogen, which is the AIDS disease. It goes back 30 years or more. His patents deal with this glycoprotein 120, which is a particular glycoprotein that’s in the spikes of COVID-19.

Now, it doesn’t belong there, because that’s an HIV element in a SARS, which is a lung attack. I just began saying, “Well, let’s take off Fauci’s patents and see what happens.” There’s also what they call this little integrin. It’s a little amino structure that goes in the envelope of the virus. It tells the virus, the pathogen, where to go. This particular pathway is to your intestines. What it will do is go through a CD4 receptor, and that will kill the T-cells. It’s a very lethal attack on your immune system. Then, the SARS attack hits your lungs, but it also releases a certain dormant bacteria, the chlamydia bacteria, which causes pneumonia.

That attacks your cardiac system, so you’ll begin to have a cardiac disturbance, and the hemoglobin in your lungs doesn’t absorb oxygen. They put you on a ventilator that’s pumping oxygen into you, but they’re just damaging your lungs. That’s not the problem.

This next virus, I’m saying, unless you can get hydroxychloroquine and zinc, that’s what the doctors are saying, you need to do prophylaxis to do prevention. Of course, Fauci in the medical establishment have demonized the 75-year-old medicine. Their studies, which were fraudulent, giving hydroxychloroquine to people who are already sick, very sick. That’s the least efficacious moment to give it to them. We’re being denied. I created this TeleMed program so they can have access to a doctor who can prescribe hydroxychloroquine. It’s still an approved FDA medication. It can be used off label by a doctor, who wants to prescribe it for a patient who wants to take it for COVID-19.

They’re not going to tell you that. They’re going to try to get the state doctors to be afraid to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for COVID. No problem for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. It’s a conscious effort to prevent the US population from getting what we need to be vulnerable, either to a resurgence of COVID-19, or to a new virus. I don’t think that’s accidental. Again, let’s say a quarter of the people get this virus and die, well, this these deep state monsters aren’t going to care. Governor Cuomo, put COVID-19 ill patients in nursing homes.

Charlene Bollinger:

One of five Democratic governors that did this [crosstalk 00:29:09].

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

The obvious is they’re going to kill old people. Well, they think old people are useless. They’re going to die, anyway. They don’t have much social utility left, so why are we spending all this money keeping them alive? This is a convenient way to make sure they get sick and die. Then, we’re going to have them quarantined so the family doesn’t get to come into the nursing home, family which might be caring and loving and saying, “Why is mom being denied this care, grandma?” when the person is basically left there to die with no help.

Charlene Bollinger:

I just want to say to that this is so frustrating for me. Grandmother Bollinger, actually, she fell. She was in her late 80s and then into her 90s. She kept falling and breaking bones. They put her in rehab. Then, they put her in a nursing home to recover. It broke my heart. I was pregnant. I had a couple of children going to see her Monday, Wednesday, and Friday just so she knew she was loved.

It broke my heart to see there were people in the nursing home, they were laying on beds in the hallway, barely covered and abandoned. This is what we’re doing to the older generation of people that have worked hard. They’ve had children. They’ve raised grandchildren. What do we do at the end of their life? We take away their dignity and the purpose for even living.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

It’s also demeaning to the people who are doing this. In other words, only dehumanized human beings would behave this way. Cuomo shows himself to be a monster, that he would even think to do something like this. The point is that, once the society gets conditioned to the nursing homes are normal, well then, they’ve already conditioned people to think that when your parents, grandparents get old, they’re useless. You got to park them somewhere.

Typically, when the family structures were strong, a family would be multi-generational. The parents who got to be old would be cared for within the home until they passed away. It would be love and care. Now, again, family sometimes got help. But again, there were parish structures, there were congregations that could come together and work together as a unit to make sure that the various members of the congregation had what they needed in order to keep the families strong and keep the families healthy.

Today, you start with an attack on God. Of course, if you’ll look at the social engineering of any of these programs, including communism, communism has been out front about its agenda from the very beginning to destroy God, to take over the school systems, to confuse sexes so that we now have to talk about gender and not sex. Male and female is pretty simple. Today, gender is unlimited and undefined.

You deal with rights. While Martin Luther King wanted equal rights, these people want retribution. They want affirmative action. They want a social justice agenda which is designed to subjugate someone or take from someone to give to another. Well, that type of principle has never worked in human society, because the idea, “Give me your money. I can spend it better than you can.” If presented honestly, it’s not something any rational person would agree to. Within communism attacking private partnership and aligning it with, they run these narratives. There were slaveholders and founded by slaveholders and the Lincoln statue in Washington DC where a black person is kneeling is not to be reverenced because Lincoln went to emancipate slaves.

Charlene Bollinger:

I saw that.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

All these things become weapons. We’ve got to understand that, once the language is controlled by the left, it doesn’t matter if there’s truth. There was no truth in the Russian collusion. They knew it, but they’re happy to fabricate a lie and get that lie believed. Today yet, there are people, I’m sure Nadler or Schiff will be happy to say, “Well, we just didn’t look hard enough. I’m sure we can find Russian collusion.” The books being written to attack Trump are still trying to implicate him with Putin. I got two or three of them I’m reading right now to see what they’re doing.

The point is, when I wrote this book, and I wrote these two books so that you’ve got to know the truth of what’s happening. You’ve got to see that this is a conscious plan, that we’re going to go through these various attacks on Trump, then, we’re going to create a reaction to the virus which destroys the economy. We’re going to be keeping people, depriving them of their freedoms, and getting them to think they have to deprive themselves of freedoms or they’re going to die. Look, we’re not born in biohazard suits. God didn’t make us born in little biohazards suits. If it had been necessary to our survival, God would have had us born in these biohazard suits.

Charlene Bollinger:

And the masking.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

You’re born naked. You’re born naked because that’s how you come into the world. Now, you’ve got to be able to cope with the world. That demands you have an immune system that is tested. Yes, we can do things to assist the immune system, but there’s lots of natural remedies. There’s lots of things like this hydroxychloroquine and zinc. There’s lots of other vitamins, vitamin D, all these things that can be done. People have to be conscious of it. You have to say, “Look, I’m going to avoid comorbidity.” Well, how do you do that?

Well, first of all, I’m not going to gain 50 pounds I don’t need. If I have, I’m going to get rid of them. Maybe, I don’t need sugar in my diet. There are very practical things that people can do to lower their blood pressure, to live more in a healthy way, to test their immune systems, and to have them withstand these diseases. Now, even with these bioengineered diseases, it’s another threshold because they are weaponized. I’m saying the one that’s coming next is going to be very, very lethal.

Charlene Bollinger:

The second wave, we’ve talked about that. We see the problem. What is the solution? What is your proposal?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I have several things. Donald Trump is doing some of the things I’ve proposed. I don’t give a lot of real specific examples. He doesn’t need them. He’ll figure it out as he goes along. When he sees how this play is written, he can change the ending. I used to consult with the federal government on 1980s on terrorism. I was always an expert in political violence and terrorism, and did a computer model, predicted the outcomes of terrorist events. I was recruited into doing this work with the government.

I used to say terrorists are like bad playwright. They have a great opening of the play. The robbers come in and they’ve got guns, and they tell the bankers and everybody, “Hands up, and give me the money.” The problem is that they have a lousy second act and they don’t have any conclusion. Your job is to come in and write the second act, and to show them how the play ends. The second act is, “Guys, you got the money now? Well, we got to get away, but I’m not so sure I’d trust your getaway driver because we just arrested him. We got the bank surrounded here now. Where are you going to go?” “Well, we’re going to start killing hostages.” “Well, I don’t think you want to do that. How about we get some sandwiches?” There’s techniques.

What you’ve finally make them realize is that this place is not going to end the way they thought it was going to end. Now, Donald Trump’s got to begin engineering that. It also helps to understand the real spiritual dynamics here, that is that I point out in this book and I write about it pretty extensively in The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency, that I wrote about Harry Truman, because Harry Truman, in 1947, had a decision to make whether or not to allow the partition of Palestine, which was the creation of the State of Israel at the end of World War II. He had not been elected president. He was president because FDR died in the first months of his fourth term. Harry Truman, his vice president, took over.

Harry Truman was opposed by everyone. George Marshall, who was the general who was appointed by FDR to fight World War II at home, a major job, was now the Secretary of State for Harry Truman. Marshall came over from the State Department and told Harry, if he allowed the Israel be created, George Marshall would never vote for another Democrat. Truman said, “Well, you’ll have to do what you have to do.” Well, Truman did decide to allow Israel to be created.

Donald Trump has done a similar thing. I think that was a Biblical decision that Harry Truman made, because it allowed the creation of the State of Israel, which was biblically predetermined. Donald Trump moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, recognized that as a Biblically important event. Donald Trump had gone to Israel. He had prayed at the wall. He had been to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Memorial. He said that there is an eternal bond between the Israeli people and the Jews and Israel. This was a Jewish state. Donald Trump was proclaiming it as a Jewish state.

Now, Donald Trump is faced with a similar election where everybody’s going to say he’s going to lose. If there is an election, I’m not 100% sure there will be an election, by the way. I think that’s yet to be determined.

Charlene Bollinger:

Hold on. Before you continue, can you unpack that a bit, or do you want to wait?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I want to wait because Donald Trump, I think, will win, despite all of the odds. Again, as I said, with God, all things are possible. I don’t think that the person who created a Biblically important event for the State of Israel is not going to be abandoned by God. The same thing with Harry Truman. I think it’ll be a second time when everybody expects Donald Trump to lose, and yet, he will rally people and he will win. The spiritual part and having that spiritual confidence is important for Donald Trump, because it will center him again on he hates to lose. This is going to center him again on winning. He starts thinking that way. He’s going to win.

Now, also in this book, and there’s lots of this book that is not apparent the first time you read it. I made it so you can read it in a short period of time. It’ll kind of hit you in different pieces as you think about it. By the way, the Democratic Party is gone. These are Marxists. These are Maoists, more appropriately. You say you’re libertarians? Well, the Republican and Democratic Party are gone, because most of the Republican establishment within fundamental agreement with the traditional Democratic Party, they liked the benefits that they had in Washington.

They liked the money. They liked the bureaucracy. They liked the control. They really had no intention of doing anything but expanding their power, staying forever, and getting hugely wealthy on people of the United States who were systematically being abused in socialist schemes of give money for this, money for this, money for that, welfare, et cetera, universal health care, more government, more government, more government. The Democrats are the heart. The left is going to plan to do voting by proxy, by mail in ballots.

Charlene Bollinger:

Which is a fraud. It’s a fraud.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

They plan to steal and offer those to win. Unless these things are cracked and exposed in advance, I think, by September, if we have this COVID 20 hitting again and a continued shutdown of the economy, it’s not just the people in the nursing homes, it’s families who can’t pay their mortgages. It’s the families who don’t know how they’re going to make the bills. You begin to get domestic people. It’s great for a while, if everybody’s home and you’re dealing with your spouse on a 24-hour basis.

But when the economics are difficult, marriages are strained. It’s almost inevitable that they’re going to be strained. It takes a very strong couple to be able to manage through that together. It takes a real commitment to one another, which can’t begin in the moment of the crisis. It has to begin much earlier. As we see these things unfold, we can have violence in the streets continuing. These antifa, they’re paid. They’re extorting corporations.

They go into the square where George Floyd was killed, and they say, “Well, we’re going to occupy this Wendy’s and we’re going to burn it down. We’re going to have antifa front. We’re going to make it an occupied zone. By the way, we like all the rest of Wendy’s restaurants. If the corporate of Wendy’s will just take a knee to Black Lives Matter, professed our ideology and pay us a lot of money.” Well, it’s extortion racket. That’s protection, Mafia moving in and saying, “We like your store. Pay us and we won’t trash it.”

Charlene Bollinger:

I’ve seen it. It’s troubling with Chick-fil-A, [crosstalk 00:43:48].

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Sure.

Charlene Bollinger:

Companies like that coming out and supporting this movement. I’m so shocked.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

National Football League. Because they don’t want to be called racist, they don’t want to be demonized by Black Lives Matter. That’s a very powerful club that is being used in a Mafia-like fashion. By the time they bend the corporate culture to their Maoist agenda, if they look like they’re going to lose and they go insane at the end here, I think the next aspect of, and I write about this in this eBook, I say that what happened in Maydan, what happened to various of these, in Tahrir square, the supporters of Mubarak come through with camels, and they kill a few of the protesters in Maydan square. Snipers killed 50 of the protesters. They blame it on the President whom they wanted to post. It goes insane. The military comes in. The burning, looting, it goes complete chaos. The President leaves in exile.

The next step is whatever incidents can be created or concocted or exploited, blame on it was the white supremacists to kill these Black Live Matters, white supremacists who came in as thugs to beat us up in the occupied zone. Next, you’ll have the demonization of the white supremacists. Now, you’ve got the beginnings of a civil war. You’ve already got people moving out in New York City, why am I going to pay all this exorbitant rent? I can’t even go to a restaurant. It’s a crime to go outside your door unless, of course, you want to protest for antifa.

Charlene Bollinger:

We have heard from many black people that say this is not me. We’ve seen many white people that are dressed the antifa and the black people coming and saying, “Please stop. You’re an embarrassment to who I am.”

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

First of all, I’ve been exposing in the social media and I discuss it. They think they’re real clever. I’ve just been in my daily news podcast in Corsi Nation. I’ve been showing people that, for instance, Anonymous, this group, Anonymous, has linked up together with Black Lives Matter, and a couple of other Communist Chinese groups supported TikTok and this K-pop, which is a Korean pop culture fad. They went on and tried to reserve all the seats in Tulsa. That’s why so many seats were empty. They organized and blocked the people from getting in and harassed them. It was organized suppression attempt, and it worked.

I’ve shown how, and even in my own tweets, when I pointed out that it was a Soros group, together with Anonymous, for instance, who was trying to promote certain hashtags about Iran in January, which we’re supporting that we’re not going to attack Iran, that we’re going to keep the Obama deal together. They removed those. There was an interaction between Jack Dorsey and Twitter supporting and promoting Anonymous, this group, Anonymous, which became solidly anti-Trump.

Charlene Bollinger:

I saw that early on. I was so confused by that, because I thought, years ago, they were of the truth. Then, I saw lies coming out of it. I thought, what happened?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, they got co-opted again. Some of the original people were arrested. Now, what they are doing is they are trying to, for instance, tie Trump into Russian oligarchs and time him with Epstein and that he’s a pedophile. Well, there’s no basis for it. I show how they create that narrative, how it comes out then, and books written anti-Trump out, it’s all coordinated, the mess, and Dorsey’s supporting it.

Now, I’m also saying in that same packaging, for Trump to spend any money at all on Facebook for advertising, Zuckerberg will take his money. He’ll meet with him in the White House and talk happy talk. They’ll suppress Donald Trump. All Donald Trump has done is financed the anti-Trump movement with his own fundraising. Therefore, any money spent on these platforms by the President or by conservatives. I could spend a ton of it on these platforms in 2020, right now is feeding the enemy.

Now, when I point this out and said to Donald Trump, “Look, you’re being banned, and here’s how.” Then, they finally do banned something from Donald Trump. Now, Trump is saying, “Finally, we’ve got this issue of the Section 230 being challenged. We’ve got Barr looking at anti-trust. I’m going to continue to expose how they and as is James O’Keefe is this I’m kind of down into the nuts and bolts of how these groups work together on the internet and promote each other and show you the Chinese bot farms and how they’re bragging about getting the tickets, how this works, how your numbers are suppressed, and how the bot farms hit all the numbers for Anonymous and give it wide visibility, and showing that this is not an equal platform of any kind, and it is so biased even to enter into it.”

Now, movements have started to go into Parler, instead of going on to Twitter. Twitter could lose an enormous amount of money, and Jack Dempsey could face criminal charges. I’m intending to set that basis up, just like with the Mueller prosecutors. I’ve named them by name. They will try to put me in prison. I said they’ve done the same thing to me as they did to General Flynn. They were suborning perjury. Put a gun General Flynn’s head and said, “If you don’t sign this piece of paper and say you lied, we’ll pull the trigger.”

Well, that’s KGB, that’s Gestapo. We need to have the criminal investigation of the prosecutors because they’re the criminals. They’re still employed by the Department of Justice. I’m counting down. I’m saying today is Day 860 whatever, Barr has been Attorney General, and still no indictments. I’m saying I support the Q Movement, but Q has become a psych up, cross-sessions, sealed indictments, sealing all these promises that never happened. Those are designed in order to get the Q group which are known to be patriots to relax.

Charlene Bollinger:

Standout.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

To standout. I’m saying, “No, the only thing I trust is indictments. I want to know where they are. I don’t want to wait for people to be indicted until everybody’s dead.” Again, these are steps that we can take that require understanding how the left operates, and understanding how they don’t intend to play fair. They do intend to steal elections. They’re going to try to steal this one. How it may come down to such chaos if they hint that they’re going to lose. Polls are inaccurate. They’re running the same narratives, “Donald Trump is 15 points.” Look at Joe Biden.

Charlene Bollinger:

I remember that.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Joe Biden’s in early stages of dementia. Now, the problems that are being exposed by Biden, including in Ukraine, the information coming out that his conversations that have been recorded between Biden and Poroshenko, and the detailed stealing of money, billions of dollars, that Biden is not going to be able to escape past this. These thing is coming out. They’re set up the basis right now where Biden does when he can be indicted. They can put him wherever they want that in President, whenever Vice President become President. These things are being deeply manipulated.

Charlene Bollinger:

Tell us about what your thoughts are with the election. How do we win against those crooks? We know their playbook. How do we win?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, first of all, we’re going to have to say, if there’s going to be voting by mail, there’s not going to be an election. I think it’s 50/50. There just won’t be an election this year. There’s going to be too much chaos. As I say, the boomerang effect, when Jack pulled down that video censoring Trump, you might have thought he won. He just showed Trump, this guy’s a criminal. Trump saw that, and so did Barr, so did I. Now, they see how they’re promoting Anonymous. Well, I’ve just demonstrated that, yesterday, they extended Assange his indictment to include that he was working with Anonymous. That’s not accidental. I exposed it.

Now, every time we’re exposing these things and people see it, again, as I say, they’re running naked to the finish line. It’s very much like the parable of the emperor with no clothes. It may take a child. The child’s going to say, “Dad, he doesn’t have any clothes on.” Well, people are going to see them in the streets and say, “This is the future they want me to live in?” They’re going to even lose black voters, or going to say middle class black voters. There’s not going to be any police to defend them. Who’s going to defend the old and the helpless in the black communities. Antifa shake them down and the Black Lives Matters abandon them and attack them, beat them brutally, who’s going to defend them? Is that going to be any police?

People are saying, the former people were with the original Black Lives Matter before, of course, it was almost Maoist from the beginning. They’re saying, “We want a political party.” Well, the Democratic political party is dead. It’s now a Maoist party. John Kennedy would have nothing to do with this party, or Hubert Humphrey, or Ed Muskie. These are not traditional liberals. These are radical socialists. This is Saul Alinsky.

The subtle things like General Flynn now, it looks like we’ll be not having to be judged by, indicted by a judge, because the circuit court mandated that the case has to be dropped. It’s got a couple of more possibilities of being revived. The same day, the permanent, now Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, makes public this handwritten memo by Peter Strzok, which shows that, in January 2017, on the eve of Trump being inaugurated, Barack Obama holds a meeting and they planned to target General Flynn, and Biden is in that meeting suggesting the Logan Act.

Now, that’s proof Biden was part of the conspiracy. That’s a crime right there. A crime has been documented. Ratcliffe forced Barr to release that, which means Ratcliffe is signaling, “You’re going to go to jail.” Now, that means, if we win the election, we’re coming after you for treason. You guys want to play a high stakes game. You want to go all in, we’re all in. Now, as I say, that’s a game we’d lose, because the communists have these techniques and they’ll go to extremes and make people feel so afraid, just get rid of Donald Trump it will all stop. That’ll be a persuasive argument, except that we got all things are possible.

The boomerang effect where people see it. The potential out now of a great enslavement or a great awakening is upon us. It’s going to be one or the other. People have got to decide which world they want to live in. That’s what I’m trying to say to them. You got a choice here now. You better see your choice, because you’re going to have Door A or Door B. I tell you, you can pick. You got to pick one. You pick Door B, here’s what you’re unleashing, every demon who’s ever thought about tormenting you will do it here on Earth, or open Door A and we’ll put the devils back in their prison, hell, and we’ll get this organized where we can follow God’s laws. Take your pick.

It’s going to come upon people where it may take one out of every four people dying in the streets before we get there. That’s what I’m trying to warn people about, because, when it happens, I don’t want it to have been a surprise as if they weren’t expecting it. It’s the same as saying to the young bride, if you’re a parent or a grandparent, you better look at this, honey, because if he did it once, he’s going to do it again. It takes a parent to wake up a young bride’s eyes.

That’s, again, what we have to have here. I’m saying we’re going to be faced with a very, very severe virus, the violence in the streets is going to intensify, the shakedown of business is going to be magnified. This isn’t going to go away. It’s going to become worse. As it becomes worse, remember, that’s what I said I was going to do, and understand it’s engineered, and you can reverse it with someone standing up for God, instead of someone standing up for justice. It won’t take very many.

Charlene Bollinger:

Well, that’s a lot of information, Doc. I’m with you 100%. I think that the wind is right at our fingertips. We just need to wake up the sleeping giant that’s out there. People are waking up. What do you propose? We’re drawing near at the time that we have to close this interview, but I definitely want to talk again-

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Sure.

Charlene Bollinger:

… because we have a lot more to talk about.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I’ll be happy to come back anytime you ask.

Charlene Bollinger:

That’s great. Thank you. What do you propose to our listener, what can they take away that’s positive, maybe, a point of action, something that they can do? What is the plan [crosstalk 00:58:09]? What does that look like?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

The first thing is to absorb the information that we’re putting out, you’re putting out, and to think about it. I charge for eBooks because people don’t read books they don’t pay for. I would rather that fewer people got it but the people who got it read it. People who are getting this book are going to read it. Some of them are even having trouble downloading it. It’s easy to do, but if you don’t know, I’ve got my numbers there. They can call us and we’ll get them the book. They call us because they can’t download it, that person is going to read the book. That’s what I want. I want them to pursue the truth. They start pursuing the truth, they won’t stop until they get it.

Charlene Bollinger:

We need everyone to pursue the truth. That’s why everything we do has the truth in the name. We’re trying to give the world the truth on a silver platter because we know the formulation, God is the way, the truth, and the life. This is what we’re bringing to the people, the way, the truth, and the life. The truth sets the prisoner free. They just need to understand what that truth is.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I want to add one element to that. It’s also the knocking and it’ll be opened up to you. It’s not just the offering. They’ve got to knock. They’ve got to want to know. They’ve got to say, “Why are we going through this?” Knock on the door and ask the question and it’ll be opened unto you.

Charlene Bollinger:

Ask, seek, knock. The Lord says in Hebrews Chapter 11, He’s a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. He is the truth, so those who seek it will find it when they search for it with all of their hearts.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I’ve got to go.

Charlene Bollinger:

We encourage everyone [crosstalk 00:59:52]. Thank you, everyone. Part two will be coming soon.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

corsination.com. In the end, God does always win. We’ll be back with the [crosstalk 00:59:59].

Charlene Bollinger:

We’ll include the links below. Click them and check them out. Thank you, Doc. Have a great day. Bye.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

You, too. Have a great weekend. Just call me to come back again. I’d be delighted to be with you. Thank you. God bless.

Charlene Bollinger:

I’m on it. Thanks, Doc. Bye-bye.

Charlene Bollinger:

Hi, everybody. This is Charlene Bollinger with The Truth About Cancer and The Truth About Vaccines films, coming to you today with a very special guest. Dr. Jerome Corsi, thank you for joining me and welcome.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Charlene, it’s great to be with you. Thank you very much.

Charlene Bollinger:

Wow, we have so much to talk about, I don’t even know where to begin. First of all, tell our viewers a little bit about yourself and what you’re doing.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I’m pretty well-known to most people. I’m an author and a commentator, political reporter, investigator. My website is corsination.com, C-O-R-S-Ination.com. I’ve written something like 25 books since 2004. A couple of them have been number one New York Times Bestsellers. 2004 was the Swift Boat book, that I co-authored with John O’Neill. It was called Unfit for Command. I wrote 2008 the Obama Nation. My current books, my hardcover book is a Coup d’état. That’s about exposing the treason against President Trump to remove him from office and the plan to reelect him.

I’ve had a couple of eBooks which are doing very well on Corsi Nation. One is The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency, and the other is COVID 20, which is the next virus I think will hit us before the end of the year. Those can be directly bought and downloaded right from my website, corsination.com. There are all my videos. I’m doing a lot of videos, a lot of content on many different things, TeleMD program, which allows you to have a phone conversation with a MD who’s licensed in your state. You can talk about anything you want. Also, they can talk about hydroxychloroquine and zinc with this azithromycin, Dr. Zelenko’s protocol for COVID. We’re not selling drugs. If the doctor believes it’s in your needs, including for prevention, they can go ahead and prescribe it.

There’s a lot on that website. I’m very concerned about the inflation. We have a Swiss America gold and silver with some very great offers on, I want people to have gold and silver, not just fiat dollars in their pocket, going into what we think is going to be the next really difficult economic period. That’s really my background, who I am, and where you can find me.

Charlene Bollinger:

Wow. What don’t you do? That’s the question.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, there’s lots I don’t do.

Charlene Bollinger:

Well, Doctor, the first time I talked to you wasn’t long ago. We had a call with a team, prayer leaders, talking about the state of the nation. Dr. Judy Mikovits was on that call, very good friend of mine. We featured her in our films and our live events, on stages. On our stages, that’s where she revealed what was happening behind the scenes with Fauci, specifically. I think that was in 2019. She started talking originally on our stage 2016. That was the first time she was telling the truth publicly about what she had been through because she had a gag order for so long. She started talking at that point. She’s an amazing woman.

As you know, she’s turned down their bribes of millions of dollars and her life was ruined. They said they would do that, they would ruin her life if she went and talked. She said, “But I have to.” She’s a real hero. That’s the very definition of a hero, turning down the world’s goods, which, in my estimation, what good are they without freedom and integrity? She took the high road. I believe that her wealth is great in heaven. That’s what counts and that’s for eternity. Back to the wealth in this world-

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I have interviewed her, by the way, on my channels as well, on corsination.com. I think she is also a heroine. She deserves great credit for her courage, her morality. I think she’s extremely intelligent. By the way, as soon as I put up the interview, YouTube and Vimeo took it down, so you know she’s saying something that is critical to hear because she frightened the deep state of establishment just by telling her truth.

Charlene Bollinger:

Absolutely. It’s the truth that sets us free. The Bible tells us, “My people perish for lack of knowledge.” She’s armed with the truth. They’ve also taken our videos down. We had a roundtable discussion, Doc, with Andy Wakefield, Bobby Kennedy, Del Bigtree, Sherri Tenpenny, and Judy Mikovits, part one and part two. They took part two down. They took various interviews that I’ve done conversation with just Judy and myself. They come in and take it down.

We’ve got it on Brighteon, by the way. Brighteon, we share those videos on our Instagram. We know Facebook has taken a hard line stand against Brighteon. Mike Adams is a good friend of ours. He’s doing great work. He’s got that platform. It’s a freedom platform. Facebook said, no videos, even in private messages brought from the Brighteon channel because they’re hosting Plandemic. That’s a big no-no in today’s culture, and hostile environment against the truth.

On our Instagram page, we included in our link tree a link to a Brighteon video to Judy, because YouTube took it down. We still wanted them to have access to that video on Instagram. Instagram immediately censored our Instagram page. We couldn’t write descriptions or comments. We tracked it down to that Brighteon. I’m in discussions right now with Mike Adams. In fact, he just texted me about what we can do.

Mike, he’s fearless like we are. He’s got the platform for freedom. Facebook literally said to him, “If you take down all the Plandemic videos on your platform, we’ll let those Brighteon videos appear again on Facebook. He has spent so much time and money and all of his heart in this platform, that he said, “I didn’t build this so that I can be bullied and hide the truth. This is for the truth. None of the other stuff matters. If I cave, what good is it?” We stand with him. Judy is a hero. They’re censoring her voice, but it’s still being heard. They can’t stop us. The momentum is ours.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I’ve pretty much been the same way. I’ve been controversial since I began writing. As soon as you’re not going to go along with the deep state narrative, you’re a threat. They want to keep people in the not-in-the-know. They want to keep feeding people the MSNBC and CNN narratives. Increasingly, what we are watching is political drama and political staged events that are designed to produce certain effects. The people who are staging them, the manipulators of public opinion, the deep state managers have gotten to be quite skillful at it. That’s what I’ve been trying to expose.

I think this book I’ve written, The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency, or this COVID 20, are very directly challenging because I’m explaining that, for instance, the Russia-gate, Ukraine, and now, the Black Lives Matter, violence in the streets, all these things fit together. It’s one episode after another, the reaction to COVID-19, shutting down the economy, the Democratic governors not wanting to start up the economy. All these things are engineered and calculated almost with military precision.

It’s very difficult, I’m sure, even for Donald Trump, to keep up with being hit day after day with new barrages and new crises. It’s very hard to have the time to think or react intelligently. I wrote this book, I was told that if I didn’t write this book, the plan to remove him was 100% sure of succeeding, and only by writing it and exposing it do we have any chance of ultimately beating it. That’s my goal. My goal is to defeat this deep state. They have enormous resources and enormous money. We have always had very little on our side. It’s a constant battle. The one unfair advantage, I think, we have is that, with God, all things are possible.

Charlene Bollinger:

Yes. I really want to talk about your book, The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency. On that phone call, you unpacked it a bit. I realized this is so important. Behind the scenes, we were all working at getting this book to the President. You got word that he read it. Do you want to talk about that?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Yes. I think there was a major effort made to hand him a copy. It’s an eBook, and it was printed out in the White House. I’m told very authoritatively that he did read it. In fact, he spent quite a bit of time reading it. I see results of it. I see Donald Trump differences in how he’s doing things now before I wrote that book. He is adapting.

You know I say, I use this example to explain the importance of this book, is that a couple gets married and the husband does something absolutely unconscionable. He buys the wife flowers and says, “Well, he really does love me, after all.” Well, that works for a while. Maybe, it escalates to buying jewelry or taking trips. Finally, the wife says, “Honey, you better sit down because I’ve gotten a lawyer and we filed for divorce. By the way, here’s a court order and you now have to leave the house. You better get your own lawyer. I should never have married you. You’re never going to be faithful to me. You were never going to do this, and this, and this. I’m not putting up with it anymore.”

Once you’ve seen through it, it doesn’t have the same impact, and you know you are being led by psychologically being as it were seduced into behavior that really you would not do if your eyes were open and you understood what was happening. Once Donald Trump sees what’s lying in front of them, and I predicted things in this book that have begun to happen. I’m saying that they will go for a 25th amendment, attempt to remove Donald Trump from office.

I explained the mechanics of that and explain how John Bolton’s book was intended to establish the narrative that Donald Trump is mentally deficient and is erratic, and how you counter that. You counter it by saying, basically, “John Bolton, who I’ve known for 15 years has only ever wanted to go to war with everybody, especially, Iran. He provided President George W. Bush the information that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that was critical to our decision to invade Iraq.” You can look and see how that’s turned out.

I said war in the Middle East is always the problem, never the solution, because it only intensifies. Then, you have one war. Then, you fight that war over the next war. This group lost these people and that group lost these sons and husbands and daughters, and all the rest of it. They fight that for another generation.

Basically, the economic sanctions, the removing of all the economics, the terror regime needs to have in place is far more effective and has a deeper reach on the people who, themselves, begin questioning whether this regime, the Mullahs in this case, have legitimacy or leading them into destruction. That’s a far more effective way than trying to placate Iran or trying to go to war with Iran. War with Iran would only feed their cause.

I basically have said and done. You can pick up any page of Bolton’s book. All he’s doing is he’s saying that President Trump didn’t take my advice here, or he had a different style. He said, he wanted to meet with these people and the way he met with him he would, at the top of his head, well Donald Trump would often say he’s going to do something just to see how his staff reacts.

Bolton, who expected that he was now going to be the National Security Director, that gave him a position of authority, and he was going to be in charge of national security policy, forgot that he was an advisor, and that John Bolton’s position is not in the Constitution. State Department has the same problem. They think that their interagency agreements are what the President need, and if the president doesn’t follow their inter-agency directives, then, the President needs to be impeached. Well, you could move the State Department to Death Valley, for all that matter, or close it all together.

It’s not in the Constitution. We don’t need a State Department to run the government. People have to come to see these things. This book is designed so you understand that the techniques of the black Muslim radicals in the Middle East, in the Arab Spring, are identical to the tactics that they’re applying with antifa and Black Lives Matters in the streets of the United States.

I can take you through how the events are staged, what their different purposes is, how they use them to radicalize. These events are all aimed at coup d’etat, at removing Donald Trump from office because the deep state, the left, the Marxists, those who hate God, they’ve gone all in. It’s like in poker terms, they put all their chips into this hand, they’re going to play this hand. Win or lose, they’re going to play. They don’t intend to lose. If they have to kill a quarter of the population of the world, it’s inconsequential to them. If they have to have a nuclear holocaust, it’s inconsequential to them. It’s a spiritual battle. This is not a power of entities that we see in this world.

This is fundamental evil. It’s a fundamental denial. It’s like Saul Alinsky dedicated his book, Rules to Radicals, to Lucifer. He said, for his rebellion, he was awarded a kingdom. Well, the kingdom was hell. These things I say also have a boomerang effect. You’re now watching the Democrats are now running the 2020 presidential campaign, and it’s being run in the streets.

If you like what you see, they intend to bring this to your neighborhood. You want an antifa in the living room rearranging your books and harassing your family. They will do it, because it’s a revolutionary. It’s a Maoist Red Guard, revolutionary cultural revolution. We’re in a cultural revolution right now. This fundamental point is to dethrone God, to put it in any kind of an orientation you can think of, whether it has to do with sex.

This is not a civil rights protest. I’m old enough. I saw in person Martin Luther King. I knew he wanted equal rights. Now, this is about a kind of reverse racism. They want whites to kneel to blacks. They want to have the power relationships of race, turn to destroy the society, destroy capitalism, destroy any kind of idea of family structure, or any kind of idea of traditional morals. It’s win or lose, they want to fight it now, because they want to win, so their totalitarian intolerant state can be imposed on the rest of us.

Charlene Bollinger:

Wow. You’ve said so much. I’m taking notes. You could write a book about each point you’ve made just now. You packed that whole little couple of paragraphs with a ton of information that’s vitally important for people to understand. I’m going to try to unpack it just slightly. You said something quite shocking. You said that they don’t care if they kill one fourth of the people of the world.

Now, if you go to the Georgia Guidestones, and people don’t know this, but on the Georgia Guidestones, some people say that’s the Satanic 10 Commandments of these people. We’ve read the Communist Manifesto. We know their bullet points, that they do intend to destroy the family unit, the reason being, if they could destroy the connection that the child has to the parent, disconnect that, and plug it into the state, then, they’re just little slaves and they do exactly what the state says. That’s the authority that they need to obey. They’re chipping, chipping, chipping away at the family unit. There’s a lot of other things you said.

Back to the killing of one quarter of the population, the Georgia Guidestones, the first of their 10 commandments that they have translated into eight different languages on those stones, hidden in plain sight, the first of the 10 points that they have there is that they must take the earth population down to 500 million. Now, the Lord Jesus himself, in John 10:10, said, “The thief came to kill, to steal, and to destroy.” Those are his war tactics. We see that happening now. It’s being rolled out openly in our streets. They were suddenly doing one little step at a time. All of a sudden, they pushed. I think they pushed too hard. I think the momentum belongs to us, and we will win.

Jesus, in contrast, said that, “I came to give you life and give it to you abundantly.” That’s what we’re fighting for. It’s the truth that will set the prisoner free. You have the truth, clearly, in this book, which I’m so intrigued by, The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from Presidency. The speech that he had, Doc, the other night, did you watch his rally? That was amazing.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Yes, I did watch it [crosstalk 00:19:53].

Charlene Bollinger:

So many, just let me tell you one quote, and then, I want you to pick up from here. You were talking, this is another point he said, the war in the Middle East is a problem. It’s not a solution. The President, did you hear him when he said that they want to drop bombs because that makes them money? This is a military industrial complex. We’ve heard that before. For him to say that was a very bold, bold move. It was heard around the world, that statement.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I think Donald Trump, I think he’s more spiritually aware than he has ever been in his life. He is not a saint. Then, of course, St. Paul, until the road to Damascus, wasn’t a saint, either. It’s not necessary that a person have a pure life. He was a celebrity. He lived the life of a celebrity. He was a playboy. I think he’s resolved to come to God and he’s understanding now that the responsibilities he’s facing and dealing with, this is almost an anointing to have won the way he won.

I’ve written this book. When you read this book, it’s designed to kind of reframe. In other words, you’re not going to be able to look at things the same. You’re going to see now more from the inside of what’s happening. Part of this is the techniques today of managing media and manipulating public opinion. When Bolton’s book comes out, it’s not just Bolton’s book. You have the talking points distributed to all of the print and television, radio media, that’s going to attack Trump. That’s coordinated. Then, you begin to reinforce the message.

How come Scaramucci, who was in the White House for a very short time and thrown out, quite frankly, he’ll come in and say that Trump was erratic. They’ll repeat the themes. When the General said that when Esper came out at the beginning of June and said he was not going to use the military, if he could avoid it, even under an insurrection act invocation by the President, because he wanted to protect the freedom to speak and assembly of the protesters. I think it’s around what peaceful protest is. It’s antifa. This is Black Lives Matter. These are Maoists. They’re paid.

Charlene Bollinger:

Or that you can burn a church down but you can’t go to church. That’s one of many things that we see. [crosstalk 00:22:37].

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Or you can have all the there’s no social distancing.

Charlene Bollinger:

Right, masks.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Or any other form, masks or anything. The demonstrators, they can be as crowded together as they want. There’s no imposition of any rules. The minute you open up a society to allow people to go back to work, well, New York is saying, “Well, there’s new cases in Alabama, so we’re not going to let anybody from Alabama come into the state of New York.” Well, how are you going to prevent that? The police are not going to be tasked with anyone with an Alabama license plate is going to be stopped and questioned. Are you going to have to have your proof of antibodies or immunity in order to [crosstalk 00:23:17]?

Charlene Bollinger:

What about the defund the police? Who are they going to use? We talked about this on a phone call, Doc. You said that it’s not that they want to get rid of the police. What is it that the want to do?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, they want to be the police. They want themselves to be the police. They want to be the enforcers of this cultural agenda they have. When you have a fire in your home, antifa’s going to show up as the fire department, they’re going to search your house and see what you believe in. They may end up harassing your family and letting the house burn to the ground, because you don’t fit politically. Or better yet, they will have determined that in advance because you’ll be given a social media score based on how you utilize the internet. If there’s any indication you believe in Jesus Christ, your credit cards aren’t going to work anymore.

Charlene Bollinger:

This is the mark of the beast. This is the mark of the beast.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

If somebody in your family has a debt, well, then, hospital is gambling on the internet, you didn’t know it. They put a debt lien on you and your car drives itself back to the dealer. Then, try to get back into your house and the door is locked. You can’t get into your own home, because it’s all tracked and, electronically, you’re on the grid. You’re living in a Truman Show, and they’re watching. With the technology the way it is, you can be tracked. Every step of your life can be recorded to be replayed to you at any other moment, or to be used to stigmatize you so you are no longer able to function in society. We’re headed to that kind of …

Now, when I talk about a quarter of the people dying, my book on the COVID 20, I’m not a medical scientist and I’m not an MD, but I am an investigative reporter. I began hearing that Fauci and it’s talking about a resurgence of COVID. Well, to me, watching China, China’s got a new virus going in Beijing. They say it’s coming from fish, from salmon. Well, that’s a different virus, because the first one they said was coming from bats.

Charlene Bollinger:

Bats.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Now, I looked at this, and I said, “The CDC and the NIH are not government agencies. They are public private partnerships with a 501(c)(3). They get money from the Gates Foundation and big farm. People like Fauci get patents on treatments for diseases. Fauci has patents on treatments for this HIV-1 pathogen, which is the AIDS disease. It goes back 30 years or more. His patents deal with this glycoprotein 120, which is a particular glycoprotein that’s in the spikes of COVID-19.

Now, it doesn’t belong there, because that’s an HIV element in a SARS, which is a lung attack. I just began saying, “Well, let’s take off Fauci’s patents and see what happens.” There’s also what they call this little integrin. It’s a little amino structure that goes in the envelope of the virus. It tells the virus, the pathogen, where to go. This particular pathway is to your intestines. What it will do is go through a CD4 receptor, and that will kill the T-cells. It’s a very lethal attack on your immune system. Then, the SARS attack hits your lungs, but it also releases a certain dormant bacteria, the chlamydia bacteria, which causes pneumonia.

That attacks your cardiac system, so you’ll begin to have a cardiac disturbance, and the hemoglobin in your lungs doesn’t absorb oxygen. They put you on a ventilator that’s pumping oxygen into you, but they’re just damaging your lungs. That’s not the problem.

This next virus, I’m saying, unless you can get hydroxychloroquine and zinc, that’s what the doctors are saying, you need to do prophylaxis to do prevention. Of course, Fauci in the medical establishment have demonized the 75-year-old medicine. Their studies, which were fraudulent, giving hydroxychloroquine to people who are already sick, very sick. That’s the least efficacious moment to give it to them. We’re being denied. I created this TeleMed program so they can have access to a doctor who can prescribe hydroxychloroquine. It’s still an approved FDA medication. It can be used off label by a doctor, who wants to prescribe it for a patient who wants to take it for COVID-19.

They’re not going to tell you that. They’re going to try to get the state doctors to be afraid to prescribe hydroxychloroquine for COVID. No problem for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. It’s a conscious effort to prevent the US population from getting what we need to be vulnerable, either to a resurgence of COVID-19, or to a new virus. I don’t think that’s accidental. Again, let’s say a quarter of the people get this virus and die, well, this these deep state monsters aren’t going to care. Governor Cuomo, put COVID-19 ill patients in nursing homes.

Charlene Bollinger:

One of five Democratic governors that did this [crosstalk 00:29:09].

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

The obvious is they’re going to kill old people. Well, they think old people are useless. They’re going to die, anyway. They don’t have much social utility left, so why are we spending all this money keeping them alive? This is a convenient way to make sure they get sick and die. Then, we’re going to have them quarantined so the family doesn’t get to come into the nursing home, family which might be caring and loving and saying, “Why is mom being denied this care, grandma?” when the person is basically left there to die with no help.

Charlene Bollinger:

I just want to say to that this is so frustrating for me. Grandmother Bollinger, actually, she fell. She was in her late 80s and then into her 90s. She kept falling and breaking bones. They put her in rehab. Then, they put her in a nursing home to recover. It broke my heart. I was pregnant. I had a couple of children going to see her Monday, Wednesday, and Friday just so she knew she was loved.

It broke my heart to see there were people in the nursing home, they were laying on beds in the hallway, barely covered and abandoned. This is what we’re doing to the older generation of people that have worked hard. They’ve had children. They’ve raised grandchildren. What do we do at the end of their life? We take away their dignity and the purpose for even living.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

It’s also demeaning to the people who are doing this. In other words, only dehumanized human beings would behave this way. Cuomo shows himself to be a monster, that he would even think to do something like this. The point is that, once the society gets conditioned to the nursing homes are normal, well then, they’ve already conditioned people to think that when your parents, grandparents get old, they’re useless. You got to park them somewhere.

Typically, when the family structures were strong, a family would be multi-generational. The parents who got to be old would be cared for within the home until they passed away. It would be love and care. Now, again, family sometimes got help. But again, there were parish structures, there were congregations that could come together and work together as a unit to make sure that the various members of the congregation had what they needed in order to keep the families strong and keep the families healthy.

Today, you start with an attack on God. Of course, if you’ll look at the social engineering of any of these programs, including communism, communism has been out front about its agenda from the very beginning to destroy God, to take over the school systems, to confuse sexes so that we now have to talk about gender and not sex. Male and female is pretty simple. Today, gender is unlimited and undefined.

You deal with rights. While Martin Luther King wanted equal rights, these people want retribution. They want affirmative action. They want a social justice agenda which is designed to subjugate someone or take from someone to give to another. Well, that type of principle has never worked in human society, because the idea, “Give me your money. I can spend it better than you can.” If presented honestly, it’s not something any rational person would agree to. Within communism attacking private partnership and aligning it with, they run these narratives. There were slaveholders and founded by slaveholders and the Lincoln statue in Washington DC where a black person is kneeling is not to be reverenced because Lincoln went to emancipate slaves.

Charlene Bollinger:

I saw that.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

All these things become weapons. We’ve got to understand that, once the language is controlled by the left, it doesn’t matter if there’s truth. There was no truth in the Russian collusion. They knew it, but they’re happy to fabricate a lie and get that lie believed. Today yet, there are people, I’m sure Nadler or Schiff will be happy to say, “Well, we just didn’t look hard enough. I’m sure we can find Russian collusion.” The books being written to attack Trump are still trying to implicate him with Putin. I got two or three of them I’m reading right now to see what they’re doing.

The point is, when I wrote this book, and I wrote these two books so that you’ve got to know the truth of what’s happening. You’ve got to see that this is a conscious plan, that we’re going to go through these various attacks on Trump, then, we’re going to create a reaction to the virus which destroys the economy. We’re going to be keeping people, depriving them of their freedoms, and getting them to think they have to deprive themselves of freedoms or they’re going to die. Look, we’re not born in biohazard suits. God didn’t make us born in little biohazards suits. If it had been necessary to our survival, God would have had us born in these biohazard suits.

Charlene Bollinger:

And the masking.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

You’re born naked. You’re born naked because that’s how you come into the world. Now, you’ve got to be able to cope with the world. That demands you have an immune system that is tested. Yes, we can do things to assist the immune system, but there’s lots of natural remedies. There’s lots of things like this hydroxychloroquine and zinc. There’s lots of other vitamins, vitamin D, all these things that can be done. People have to be conscious of it. You have to say, “Look, I’m going to avoid comorbidity.” Well, how do you do that?

Well, first of all, I’m not going to gain 50 pounds I don’t need. If I have, I’m going to get rid of them. Maybe, I don’t need sugar in my diet. There are very practical things that people can do to lower their blood pressure, to live more in a healthy way, to test their immune systems, and to have them withstand these diseases. Now, even with these bioengineered diseases, it’s another threshold because they are weaponized. I’m saying the one that’s coming next is going to be very, very lethal.

Charlene Bollinger:

The second wave, we’ve talked about that. We see the problem. What is the solution? What is your proposal?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, I have several things. Donald Trump is doing some of the things I’ve proposed. I don’t give a lot of real specific examples. He doesn’t need them. He’ll figure it out as he goes along. When he sees how this play is written, he can change the ending. I used to consult with the federal government on 1980s on terrorism. I was always an expert in political violence and terrorism, and did a computer model, predicted the outcomes of terrorist events. I was recruited into doing this work with the government.

I used to say terrorists are like bad playwright. They have a great opening of the play. The robbers come in and they’ve got guns, and they tell the bankers and everybody, “Hands up, and give me the money.” The problem is that they have a lousy second act and they don’t have any conclusion. Your job is to come in and write the second act, and to show them how the play ends. The second act is, “Guys, you got the money now? Well, we got to get away, but I’m not so sure I’d trust your getaway driver because we just arrested him. We got the bank surrounded here now. Where are you going to go?” “Well, we’re going to start killing hostages.” “Well, I don’t think you want to do that. How about we get some sandwiches?” There’s techniques.

What you’ve finally make them realize is that this place is not going to end the way they thought it was going to end. Now, Donald Trump’s got to begin engineering that. It also helps to understand the real spiritual dynamics here, that is that I point out in this book and I write about it pretty extensively in The Plan: to Remove Donald Trump from the Presidency, that I wrote about Harry Truman, because Harry Truman, in 1947, had a decision to make whether or not to allow the partition of Palestine, which was the creation of the State of Israel at the end of World War II. He had not been elected president. He was president because FDR died in the first months of his fourth term. Harry Truman, his vice president, took over.

Harry Truman was opposed by everyone. George Marshall, who was the general who was appointed by FDR to fight World War II at home, a major job, was now the Secretary of State for Harry Truman. Marshall came over from the State Department and told Harry, if he allowed the Israel be created, George Marshall would never vote for another Democrat. Truman said, “Well, you’ll have to do what you have to do.” Well, Truman did decide to allow Israel to be created.

Donald Trump has done a similar thing. I think that was a Biblical decision that Harry Truman made, because it allowed the creation of the State of Israel, which was biblically predetermined. Donald Trump moved our embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, recognized that as a Biblically important event. Donald Trump had gone to Israel. He had prayed at the wall. He had been to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Memorial. He said that there is an eternal bond between the Israeli people and the Jews and Israel. This was a Jewish state. Donald Trump was proclaiming it as a Jewish state.

Now, Donald Trump is faced with a similar election where everybody’s going to say he’s going to lose. If there is an election, I’m not 100% sure there will be an election, by the way. I think that’s yet to be determined.

Charlene Bollinger:

Hold on. Before you continue, can you unpack that a bit, or do you want to wait?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I want to wait because Donald Trump, I think, will win, despite all of the odds. Again, as I said, with God, all things are possible. I don’t think that the person who created a Biblically important event for the State of Israel is not going to be abandoned by God. The same thing with Harry Truman. I think it’ll be a second time when everybody expects Donald Trump to lose, and yet, he will rally people and he will win. The spiritual part and having that spiritual confidence is important for Donald Trump, because it will center him again on he hates to lose. This is going to center him again on winning. He starts thinking that way. He’s going to win.

Now, also in this book, and there’s lots of this book that is not apparent the first time you read it. I made it so you can read it in a short period of time. It’ll kind of hit you in different pieces as you think about it. By the way, the Democratic Party is gone. These are Marxists. These are Maoists, more appropriately. You say you’re libertarians? Well, the Republican and Democratic Party are gone, because most of the Republican establishment within fundamental agreement with the traditional Democratic Party, they liked the benefits that they had in Washington.

They liked the money. They liked the bureaucracy. They liked the control. They really had no intention of doing anything but expanding their power, staying forever, and getting hugely wealthy on people of the United States who were systematically being abused in socialist schemes of give money for this, money for this, money for that, welfare, et cetera, universal health care, more government, more government, more government. The Democrats are the heart. The left is going to plan to do voting by proxy, by mail in ballots.

Charlene Bollinger:

Which is a fraud. It’s a fraud.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

They plan to steal and offer those to win. Unless these things are cracked and exposed in advance, I think, by September, if we have this COVID 20 hitting again and a continued shutdown of the economy, it’s not just the people in the nursing homes, it’s families who can’t pay their mortgages. It’s the families who don’t know how they’re going to make the bills. You begin to get domestic people. It’s great for a while, if everybody’s home and you’re dealing with your spouse on a 24-hour basis.

But when the economics are difficult, marriages are strained. It’s almost inevitable that they’re going to be strained. It takes a very strong couple to be able to manage through that together. It takes a real commitment to one another, which can’t begin in the moment of the crisis. It has to begin much earlier. As we see these things unfold, we can have violence in the streets continuing. These antifa, they’re paid. They’re extorting corporations.

They go into the square where George Floyd was killed, and they say, “Well, we’re going to occupy this Wendy’s and we’re going to burn it down. We’re going to have antifa front. We’re going to make it an occupied zone. By the way, we like all the rest of Wendy’s restaurants. If the corporate of Wendy’s will just take a knee to Black Lives Matter, professed our ideology and pay us a lot of money.” Well, it’s extortion racket. That’s protection, Mafia moving in and saying, “We like your store. Pay us and we won’t trash it.”

Charlene Bollinger:

I’ve seen it. It’s troubling with Chick-fil-A, [crosstalk 00:43:48].

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Sure.

Charlene Bollinger:

Companies like that coming out and supporting this movement. I’m so shocked.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

National Football League. Because they don’t want to be called racist, they don’t want to be demonized by Black Lives Matter. That’s a very powerful club that is being used in a Mafia-like fashion. By the time they bend the corporate culture to their Maoist agenda, if they look like they’re going to lose and they go insane at the end here, I think the next aspect of, and I write about this in this eBook, I say that what happened in Maydan, what happened to various of these, in Tahrir square, the supporters of Mubarak come through with camels, and they kill a few of the protesters in Maydan square. Snipers killed 50 of the protesters. They blame it on the President whom they wanted to post. It goes insane. The military comes in. The burning, looting, it goes complete chaos. The President leaves in exile.

The next step is whatever incidents can be created or concocted or exploited, blame on it was the white supremacists to kill these Black Live Matters, white supremacists who came in as thugs to beat us up in the occupied zone. Next, you’ll have the demonization of the white supremacists. Now, you’ve got the beginnings of a civil war. You’ve already got people moving out in New York City, why am I going to pay all this exorbitant rent? I can’t even go to a restaurant. It’s a crime to go outside your door unless, of course, you want to protest for antifa.

Charlene Bollinger:

We have heard from many black people that say this is not me. We’ve seen many white people that are dressed the antifa and the black people coming and saying, “Please stop. You’re an embarrassment to who I am.”

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

First of all, I’ve been exposing in the social media and I discuss it. They think they’re real clever. I’ve just been in my daily news podcast in Corsi Nation. I’ve been showing people that, for instance, Anonymous, this group, Anonymous, has linked up together with Black Lives Matter, and a couple of other Communist Chinese groups supported TikTok and this K-pop, which is a Korean pop culture fad. They went on and tried to reserve all the seats in Tulsa. That’s why so many seats were empty. They organized and blocked the people from getting in and harassed them. It was organized suppression attempt, and it worked.

I’ve shown how, and even in my own tweets, when I pointed out that it was a Soros group, together with Anonymous, for instance, who was trying to promote certain hashtags about Iran in January, which we’re supporting that we’re not going to attack Iran, that we’re going to keep the Obama deal together. They removed those. There was an interaction between Jack Dorsey and Twitter supporting and promoting Anonymous, this group, Anonymous, which became solidly anti-Trump.

Charlene Bollinger:

I saw that early on. I was so confused by that, because I thought, years ago, they were of the truth. Then, I saw lies coming out of it. I thought, what happened?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, they got co-opted again. Some of the original people were arrested. Now, what they are doing is they are trying to, for instance, tie Trump into Russian oligarchs and time him with Epstein and that he’s a pedophile. Well, there’s no basis for it. I show how they create that narrative, how it comes out then, and books written anti-Trump out, it’s all coordinated, the mess, and Dorsey’s supporting it.

Now, I’m also saying in that same packaging, for Trump to spend any money at all on Facebook for advertising, Zuckerberg will take his money. He’ll meet with him in the White House and talk happy talk. They’ll suppress Donald Trump. All Donald Trump has done is financed the anti-Trump movement with his own fundraising. Therefore, any money spent on these platforms by the President or by conservatives. I could spend a ton of it on these platforms in 2020, right now is feeding the enemy.

Now, when I point this out and said to Donald Trump, “Look, you’re being banned, and here’s how.” Then, they finally do banned something from Donald Trump. Now, Trump is saying, “Finally, we’ve got this issue of the Section 230 being challenged. We’ve got Barr looking at anti-trust. I’m going to continue to expose how they and as is James O’Keefe is this I’m kind of down into the nuts and bolts of how these groups work together on the internet and promote each other and show you the Chinese bot farms and how they’re bragging about getting the tickets, how this works, how your numbers are suppressed, and how the bot farms hit all the numbers for Anonymous and give it wide visibility, and showing that this is not an equal platform of any kind, and it is so biased even to enter into it.”

Now, movements have started to go into Parler, instead of going on to Twitter. Twitter could lose an enormous amount of money, and Jack Dempsey could face criminal charges. I’m intending to set that basis up, just like with the Mueller prosecutors. I’ve named them by name. They will try to put me in prison. I said they’ve done the same thing to me as they did to General Flynn. They were suborning perjury. Put a gun General Flynn’s head and said, “If you don’t sign this piece of paper and say you lied, we’ll pull the trigger.”

Well, that’s KGB, that’s Gestapo. We need to have the criminal investigation of the prosecutors because they’re the criminals. They’re still employed by the Department of Justice. I’m counting down. I’m saying today is Day 860 whatever, Barr has been Attorney General, and still no indictments. I’m saying I support the Q Movement, but Q has become a psych up, cross-sessions, sealed indictments, sealing all these promises that never happened. Those are designed in order to get the Q group which are known to be patriots to relax.

Charlene Bollinger:

Standout.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

To standout. I’m saying, “No, the only thing I trust is indictments. I want to know where they are. I don’t want to wait for people to be indicted until everybody’s dead.” Again, these are steps that we can take that require understanding how the left operates, and understanding how they don’t intend to play fair. They do intend to steal elections. They’re going to try to steal this one. How it may come down to such chaos if they hint that they’re going to lose. Polls are inaccurate. They’re running the same narratives, “Donald Trump is 15 points.” Look at Joe Biden.

Charlene Bollinger:

I remember that.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Joe Biden’s in early stages of dementia. Now, the problems that are being exposed by Biden, including in Ukraine, the information coming out that his conversations that have been recorded between Biden and Poroshenko, and the detailed stealing of money, billions of dollars, that Biden is not going to be able to escape past this. These thing is coming out. They’re set up the basis right now where Biden does when he can be indicted. They can put him wherever they want that in President, whenever Vice President become President. These things are being deeply manipulated.

Charlene Bollinger:

Tell us about what your thoughts are with the election. How do we win against those crooks? We know their playbook. How do we win?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Well, first of all, we’re going to have to say, if there’s going to be voting by mail, there’s not going to be an election. I think it’s 50/50. There just won’t be an election this year. There’s going to be too much chaos. As I say, the boomerang effect, when Jack pulled down that video censoring Trump, you might have thought he won. He just showed Trump, this guy’s a criminal. Trump saw that, and so did Barr, so did I. Now, they see how they’re promoting Anonymous. Well, I’ve just demonstrated that, yesterday, they extended Assange his indictment to include that he was working with Anonymous. That’s not accidental. I exposed it.

Now, every time we’re exposing these things and people see it, again, as I say, they’re running naked to the finish line. It’s very much like the parable of the emperor with no clothes. It may take a child. The child’s going to say, “Dad, he doesn’t have any clothes on.” Well, people are going to see them in the streets and say, “This is the future they want me to live in?” They’re going to even lose black voters, or going to say middle class black voters. There’s not going to be any police to defend them. Who’s going to defend the old and the helpless in the black communities. Antifa shake them down and the Black Lives Matters abandon them and attack them, beat them brutally, who’s going to defend them? Is that going to be any police?

People are saying, the former people were with the original Black Lives Matter before, of course, it was almost Maoist from the beginning. They’re saying, “We want a political party.” Well, the Democratic political party is dead. It’s now a Maoist party. John Kennedy would have nothing to do with this party, or Hubert Humphrey, or Ed Muskie. These are not traditional liberals. These are radical socialists. This is Saul Alinsky.

The subtle things like General Flynn now, it looks like we’ll be not having to be judged by, indicted by a judge, because the circuit court mandated that the case has to be dropped. It’s got a couple of more possibilities of being revived. The same day, the permanent, now Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, makes public this handwritten memo by Peter Strzok, which shows that, in January 2017, on the eve of Trump being inaugurated, Barack Obama holds a meeting and they planned to target General Flynn, and Biden is in that meeting suggesting the Logan Act.

Now, that’s proof Biden was part of the conspiracy. That’s a crime right there. A crime has been documented. Ratcliffe forced Barr to release that, which means Ratcliffe is signaling, “You’re going to go to jail.” Now, that means, if we win the election, we’re coming after you for treason. You guys want to play a high stakes game. You want to go all in, we’re all in. Now, as I say, that’s a game we’d lose, because the communists have these techniques and they’ll go to extremes and make people feel so afraid, just get rid of Donald Trump it will all stop. That’ll be a persuasive argument, except that we got all things are possible.

The boomerang effect where people see it. The potential out now of a great enslavement or a great awakening is upon us. It’s going to be one or the other. People have got to decide which world they want to live in. That’s what I’m trying to say to them. You got a choice here now. You better see your choice, because you’re going to have Door A or Door B. I tell you, you can pick. You got to pick one. You pick Door B, here’s what you’re unleashing, every demon who’s ever thought about tormenting you will do it here on Earth, or open Door A and we’ll put the devils back in their prison, hell, and we’ll get this organized where we can follow God’s laws. Take your pick.

It’s going to come upon people where it may take one out of every four people dying in the streets before we get there. That’s what I’m trying to warn people about, because, when it happens, I don’t want it to have been a surprise as if they weren’t expecting it. It’s the same as saying to the young bride, if you’re a parent or a grandparent, you better look at this, honey, because if he did it once, he’s going to do it again. It takes a parent to wake up a young bride’s eyes.

That’s, again, what we have to have here. I’m saying we’re going to be faced with a very, very severe virus, the violence in the streets is going to intensify, the shakedown of business is going to be magnified. This isn’t going to go away. It’s going to become worse. As it becomes worse, remember, that’s what I said I was going to do, and understand it’s engineered, and you can reverse it with someone standing up for God, instead of someone standing up for justice. It won’t take very many.

Charlene Bollinger:

Well, that’s a lot of information, Doc. I’m with you 100%. I think that the wind is right at our fingertips. We just need to wake up the sleeping giant that’s out there. People are waking up. What do you propose? We’re drawing near at the time that we have to close this interview, but I definitely want to talk again-

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

Sure.

Charlene Bollinger:

… because we have a lot more to talk about.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I’ll be happy to come back anytime you ask.

Charlene Bollinger:

That’s great. Thank you. What do you propose to our listener, what can they take away that’s positive, maybe, a point of action, something that they can do? What is the plan [crosstalk 00:58:09]? What does that look like?

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

The first thing is to absorb the information that we’re putting out, you’re putting out, and to think about it. I charge for eBooks because people don’t read books they don’t pay for. I would rather that fewer people got it but the people who got it read it. People who are getting this book are going to read it. Some of them are even having trouble downloading it. It’s easy to do, but if you don’t know, I’ve got my numbers there. They can call us and we’ll get them the book. They call us because they can’t download it, that person is going to read the book. That’s what I want. I want them to pursue the truth. They start pursuing the truth, they won’t stop until they get it.

Charlene Bollinger:

We need everyone to pursue the truth. That’s why everything we do has the truth in the name. We’re trying to give the world the truth on a silver platter because we know the formulation, God is the way, the truth, and the life. This is what we’re bringing to the people, the way, the truth, and the life. The truth sets the prisoner free. They just need to understand what that truth is.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I want to add one element to that. It’s also the knocking and it’ll be opened up to you. It’s not just the offering. They’ve got to knock. They’ve got to want to know. They’ve got to say, “Why are we going through this?” Knock on the door and ask the question and it’ll be opened unto you.

Charlene Bollinger:

Ask, seek, knock. The Lord says in Hebrews Chapter 11, He’s a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. He is the truth, so those who seek it will find it when they search for it with all of their hearts.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

I’ve got to go.

Charlene Bollinger:

We encourage everyone [crosstalk 00:59:52]. Thank you, everyone. Part two will be coming soon.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

corsination.com. In the end, God does always win. We’ll be back with the [crosstalk 00:59:59].

Charlene Bollinger:

We’ll include the links below. Click them and check them out. Thank you, Doc. Have a great day. Bye.

Dr. Jerome Corsi:

You, too. Have a great weekend. Just call me to come back again. I’d be delighted to be with you. Thank you. God bless.

Charlene Bollinger:

I’m on it. Thanks, Doc. Bye-bye.

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